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    <title abbrev="Organization of Online Meetings">Guidelines for the Organization of Fully Online Meetings</title>
    <seriesInfo name="Internet-Draft" value="draft-ietf-shmoo-online-meeting-05"/> name="RFC" value="9400"/>
    <author initials="M." surname="Kühlewind" fullname="Mirja Kühlewind">
      <organization>Ericsson</organization>
      <address>
        <email>mirja.kuehlewind@ericsson.com</email>
      </address>
    </author>
    <author initials="M." surname="Duke" fullname="Martin Duke">
      <organization>Google</organization>
      <address>
        <email>martin.h.duke@gmail.com</email>
      </address>
    </author>
    <date year="2022" month="December" day="15"/>
    <keyword>Internet-Draft</keyword> year="2023" month="June"/>
    <area>gen</area>
    <workgroup>shmoo</workgroup>
    <abstract>
      <t>This document provides guidelines for the planning and organization of fully
online meetings, regarding the number, length, and composition of sessions on
the meeting agenda. These guidelines are based on the experience with gained by holding online meetings during the COVID-19 pandemic in 2020 and 2021.</t>
    </abstract>
    <note removeInRFC="true">
      <name>Discussion Venues</name>
      <t>Discussion of this document takes place on the
  Stay Home Meet Only Online Working Group mailing list (manycouches@ietf.org),
  which is archived at <eref target="https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/manycouches/"/>.</t>
      <t>Source for this draft and an issue tracker can be found at
  <eref target="https://github.com/mirjak/draft-shmoo-online-meeting"/>.</t>
    </note>
  </front>
  <middle>
    <section anchor="introduction">
      <name>Introduction</name>
      <t>In 2020, the COVID-19 pandemic forced the IETF to convert all its plenary meetings
to online-only events. This document records the experience gained by holding
plenary meetings fully online and proposes guidelines based on this experience.
In general, participant surveys indicated satisfaction with the organization of
these meetings.</t>
      <t>Although these guidelines reflect lessons learned in 2020 and 2021, the IETF is
encouraged to continue to experiment with the format and agenda of fully online
meetings, using this document as a baseline.</t>
      <t>Hybrid meetings (meaning meetings that have large remote participation but also
onsite participation) are out of scope. However, some of the experience gained
from fully online meetings might also provide input for decisions regarding the
organization of hybrid meetings.</t>
      <section anchor="requirements-language">
        <name>Requirements Language</name>
        <t>The key words "<bcp14>MUST</bcp14>", "<bcp14>MUST NOT</bcp14>",
        "<bcp14>REQUIRED</bcp14>", "<bcp14>SHALL</bcp14>",
        "<bcp14>SHALL NOT</bcp14>", "<bcp14>SHOULD</bcp14>",
        "<bcp14>SHOULD NOT</bcp14>",
        "<bcp14>RECOMMENDED</bcp14>", "<bcp14>NOT RECOMMENDED</bcp14>",
        "<bcp14>MAY</bcp14>", and "<bcp14>OPTIONAL</bcp14>" in this document
        are to be interpreted as described in BCP 14 BCP&nbsp;14
        <xref target="RFC2119"/> <xref target="RFC8174"/> when, and only
        when, they appear in all capitals, as shown here.</t>
        <t>This document uses the term "plenary meeting" for the whole IETF meeting that
covers the IETF meeting week; this term is used to distinguish the plenary meeting
from other IETF meetings like "interim meetings".
The term "administrative plenary" is used for the respective session
during the IETF meeting week that is usually hosted on Wednesday.</t>
      </section>
    </section>
    <section anchor="some-history">
      <name>Some History</name>
      <t>When the World Health Organization (WHO) declared a world-wide worldwide pandemic
in March 2020, the IETF canceled its
plenary meeting and organized an online replacement in less than two 2 weeks. For
this first online-only meeting, the agenda was reduced to a set of sessions that
benefitted
benefited most from cross-area participation, like BoFs, first-time meetings of
new working groups, and dispatch sessions. It also included the administrative
plenary to preserve the official hand-over handover procedures that occur at the March
meeting, IETF
meetings, as described in <xref target="RFC8713"/>.</t>
      <t>With a reduced agenda, the meeting format was 2 two sessions (about 4 hours) per day
with a maximum of two parallel tracks. Other working group meetings were
scheduled as interims over the following six 6 weeks. The IESG published a
purely advisory recommended schedule <xref target="INTERIM-SCHEDULE"/> to reduce conflicts
among those interims.</t>
      <t>While satisfaction was high right after the meetinng meeting <xref target="_107-FEEDBACK"/>, target="IETF107-FEEDBACK"/>, some participants
later indicated in mailing list discussion discussions that the period of intensive interims had a
greater impact on their calendar than a single plenary meeting week, and in some
meetings participation was reduced. Those interims tended to occur at times convenient for the bulk
of participants, which was convenient for most but could exclude those in less
common time zones.</t>
      <t>For the remainder of 2020 and 2021, the online schedule was switched back to be
similar to an in-person meeting (1-2 hour (1- to 2-hour slots and 8-9 eight or nine parallel tracks).
However, each day was limited to 5-6 hours in recognition that remote
participation is more tiring.</t>
      <t>All fully online meetings followed the time zone of the planned in-person
meeting location. As a six-hour 6-hour agenda has some flexibility regarding the start
time while still fitting within a previously used 8-hour in-person agenda, the start
time was approximately noon, with adjustments of an hour or so to mitigate the
impact of early morning hours in time zones with many participants. As selection
of in-person meeting sites was consistent with the 1-1-1 guideline as documented
in <xref target="RFC8719"/>, this approach was intended to share the burden across all common
geographies roughly equally.</t>
    </section>
    <section anchor="guidelines-for-online-meeting-planning">
      <name>Guidelines for Online Meeting Planning</name>
      <section anchor="time-zone-selection">
        <name>Time Zone Selection</name>
        <t>The following algorithm was not used in 2020 or 2021, but it enables most
participants to avoid late-night sessions in 2 two out of every 3 three fully online IETF
plenary meetings. Basically, every fully online meeting is for two regions of the
three regions described in <xref target="RFC8179"/>, target="RFC8719"/>, with one being roughly after sunrise
and the other around sundown. This has the tradeoff trade-off that the third region is in
the middle of night.</t>
        <t>The times are also seasonally adjusted to leverage differentials in Daylight
Saving Time. These time slots are as follows, in UTC, based on the Daylight
Saving Practices at the time of publication:</t>
        <table>
          <thead>
            <tr>
              <th align="left">Name</th>
              <th align="left">Times (Northern Summer)</th>
              <th align="left">Times (Northern Winter)</th>
            </tr>
          </thead>
          <tbody>
            <tr>
              <td align="left">North America Night</td>
              <td align="left">0500-1100 UTC</td>
              <td align="left">0600-1200 UTC</td>
            </tr>
            <tr>
              <td align="left">Asia Night</td>
              <td align="left">1300-1900 UTC</td>
              <td align="left">1400-2000 UTC</td>
            </tr>
            <tr>
              <td align="left">Europe Night</td>
              <td align="left">2200-0400 UTC</td>
              <td align="left">2200-0400 UTC</td>
            </tr>
          </tbody>
        </table>
        <t>Note that the "European "Europe Night" slot covers the "Early Morning" "early morning" slot for Asia where
most countries do not have Daylight Saving Time.</t>
        <t>If Daylight Saving Practices change, which change -- this change is under consideration in multiple countries
at the time of publication, publication -- this table may need adjustment.</t>
        <t>The intent of rotating between these three slots is to scatter meetings
throughout the course of the global day, to maximize the ease of participants
so that no attendee has to be
consistently inconvenienced, regardless of their location and what time of day is
optimal for their schedule. However, as participation is distributed globally,
it needs to be acknowledged that restricting the scheme to three regions
observes the intent of <xref target="RFC8179"/> target="RFC8719"/> but does not achieve the
goal of 2 two non-late-night sessions for all participants equally.</t>
        <section anchor="guidelines-for-selection">
          <name>Guidelines for selection</name> Selection</name>
          <t>The IETF <bcp14>SHOULD</bcp14> select a start time from these three choices based on the prior
	  three meetings.
	  The following table covers all permutations of previous
meetings held in-person in person in Region A, B, or C; C or remotely in the nights of
one of those regions.</t>
          <table>
            <thead>
              <tr>
                <th align="left">3 meetings ago</th> align="left">Three Meetings Ago</th>
                <th align="left">2 meetings ago</th> align="left">Two Meetings Ago</th>
                <th align="left">Last Meeting</th>
                <th align="left">Online Selection</th>
              </tr>
            </thead>
            <tbody>
              <tr>
                <td align="left">Any</td>
                <td align="left">Any</td>
                <td align="left">In-Person A</td>
                <td align="left">A Night</td>
              </tr>
              <tr>
                <td align="left">Any</td>
                <td align="left">Online A Night</td>
                <td align="left">Online B Night</td>
                <td align="left">C Night</td>
              </tr>
              <tr>
                <td align="left">Online A Night</td>
                <td align="left">In-Person B</td>
                <td align="left">Online B Night</td>
                <td align="left">C Night</td>
              </tr>
              <tr>
                <td align="left">In-Person A</td>
                <td align="left">In-Person B</td>
                <td align="left">Online B Night</td>
                <td align="left">A Night</td>
              </tr>
              <tr>
                <td align="left">In-Person A</td>
                <td align="left">In-Person A</td>
                <td align="left">Online A Night</td>
                <td align="left">see align="left">See below</td>
              </tr>
              <tr>
                <td align="left">Online A Night</td>
                <td align="left">Online B Night</td>
                <td align="left">Online C Night</td>
                <td align="left">A Night</td>
              </tr>
            </tbody>
          </table>
          <t>This table follows two basic guidelines:
1) Whenever guidelines:</t>
   <ol spacing="normal" type="%d)">
   <li>Whenever a fully online meeting follows an in-person meeting, the online
meeting time is used that most disadvantages most the participants in the time zone
where the in-person meeting was held.
2) If held.</li>
   <li>If multiple fully online meetings follow each other, the time zone selection
should be rotated based on the most recent time zones that in which the in-person
meetings were held in.</t> held.</li>
   </ol>
          <t>The final case occurs in the rare event that back-to-back in-person plenary meetings
occur in the same region. In this case, find the most recent meeting that was
neither
in neither 'A' (if in-person) nor in 'A' night person) nor 'A Night' (if fully online). If this meeting
was in-person in person in region 'B', then the next meeting should be in 'B' Night. 'B Night'. If it
was remote in 'B' Night, 'B Night', the next meeting should be in 'C' Night.</t> 'C Night'.</t>
        </section>
      </section>
      <section anchor="number-of-days-and-total-hours-per-day">
        <name>Number of Days and Total Hours per Day</name>
        <t>By 2021, fully online meetings were consistently held over 5 days with roughly 6-hour
meeting days. The day with the administrative plenary, which concludes with
multiple open mic sessions, sometimes exceeded this limit.</t>
        <t>Six hours of online meetings, with two 30-minute breaks, was a compromise
between the physical limits of attending an online meeting in an inconvenient
time zone, zone and the demand for many sessions with a manageable number of
conflicts. The IETF 109 feedback <xref target="_109-SURVEY"/> target="IETF109-SURVEY"/> indicated broad satisfaction
with a 5-day meeting but only medium satisfaction with the overall length of
each day.</t>
        <t>The IETF did not seriously consider extending sessions into the weekend before
or after the main meeting week, although at IETF 108 and subsequent meetings the Hackathon occupied the entire week before (see <xref target="RFC9311"/>).</t>
      </section>
      <section anchor="sessionbreak-length">
        <name>Session/Break Length</name>
        <t>For fully online meetings meetings, there are typically fewer sessions per day than for
in-person meetings, to keep the overall meeting day to roughly 6 hours.
With fewer sessions, chairs were offered only two options for session length
(instead of three).</t>
        <t>IETF-108,
        <t>IETF 108, based on an indicated preference of the community, scheduled 50- and
100-minute slots, with 10-minute breaks, in order to keep the overall day length
at 5 hours. This resulted in many sessions going over time, which indicated that
10 minutes for breaks is not practical.</t>
        <t>The survey after IETF-109 IETF 109 <xref target="_109-SURVEY"/> target="IETF109-SURVEY"/> showed high satisfaction with 60/120-minute
session lengths and 30-minute breaks, and a significant improvement in
satisfaction over IETF-108.</t> IETF 108.</t>
        <t>The longer breaks, while extending the day, provided adequate time for meals,
exercise, and "hallway" conversations using online tools.</t>
      </section>
      <section anchor="tracks">
        <name>Number of Parallel Tracks</name>
        <t>In-person meetings are limited in the number of parallel tracks by the number of
meeting rooms, but online meetings are not. However, more parallel tracks
increases
would increase the number of possible agenda conflicts.</t>
        <t>If the total number of requested sessions exceeds the capacity of the usual 8 eight
parallel tracks, it is possible for a fully online meeting to simply use more
tracks. If the number and length of meeting days is are seen as fixed, this decision
is implicitly made by the working group chairs requesting a certain number of
sessions and length.</t>
        <t>IETF-111
        <t>IETF 111 used 9 nine parallel tracks for some of the sessions, sessions and experienced
slightly more conflicts in the agenda scheduling agenda-scheduling process, though there was no
statistically significant increase in dissatisfaction about conflicts in the
survey <xref target="_111-SURVEY"/>.</t> target="IETF111-SURVEY"/>.</t>
        <t>The IESG encouraged working group chairs to limit their session requests and use
interim meetings aggressively for focused work.</t>
      </section>
    </section>
    <section anchor="additional-considerations-and-recommendations">
      <name>Additional Considerations and Recommendations</name>
      <section anchor="full-limited">
        <name>Full vs. Limited Agenda (and interim meetings)</name> Interim Meetings)</name>
        <t>The IETF-108 IETF 108 meeting survey <xref target="_108-SURVEY"/> target="IETF108-SURVEY"/> asked about the structure of that
meeting (full meeting) compared to that of IETF 107, which hosted only a limited
set of sessions followed by interims in the weeks after. The structure of IETF
108 was preferred by 82%. Respondents valued cross-participation and an
intensive meeting week for maintaining project momentum.</t>
        <t>Furthermore, a well-defined meeting time, rather than spreading many interims
over the whole year, can make deconflicting with other non-IETF meetings easier.</t>
        <t>However, interim meetings can also help to reduce scheduling conflicts during an
IETF week and allow for a more optimal time slot for the key participants. While
interim meetings are less likely to attract people with casual interest, they
provide a good opportunity for the most active participants of a group to have
detailed technical discussions and solve recorded issues efficiently.</t>
      </section>
      <section anchor="flexibility-of-time-usage">
        <name>Flexibility of Time Usage</name>
        <t>This document recommends further experiments with reducing conflicts by
leveraging the increased flexibility of the online format.</t>
        <t>An in-person meeting must fit all sessions into an acceptable length for
international travel (usually roughly a week), but online meetings do not have
that constraint.</t>
        <t>Therefore, it would be possible to keep most regular working group sessions
within the usual five 5 main meeting days but have some of the more conflicted
sessions in other dedicated time slots. As the Hackathon for fully online
meetings is usually held in the week before the online plenary meeting
<xref target="RFC9311"/>, that week is already a highly active week for many IETF
participants and might provide an opportunity to schedule a few selected
sessions.</t>
        <t>This might work especially well for sessions that are of high interest to a
large part of the community, such as BoFs and dispatch meetings, and therefore hard
to schedule during the main IETF week.</t>
        <t>At IETF 112, the IESG ran an experiment where the administrative plenary was
scheduled on the Wednesday before the official session week. The experiment
report <xref target="_112-EXPERIMENT"/> target="IETF112-EXPERIMENT"/> found that it led to a reduction in scheduling
conflicts but also a slight drop in attendance of the administrative plenary, partly
due to insufficient awareness.</t>
      </section>
      <section anchor="inclusivity-and-socializing">
        <name>Inclusivity and Socializing</name>
        <t>Participation in the fully online meetings in 2021 was high and had a stable
per-country distribution, even though time zones were rotated. This indicates
that online meetings support a more consistent geographic distribution of
participants than in-person meetings, where participation often fluctuates based
on the location.</t>
        <t>However, online meetings do not provide an equivalent opportunity to socialize.
Despite significant investment in tools to foster hallway conversations, many
did not use those tools, whether due to ignorance of them, dislike of the tools,
or a preference for the other activities at home (including sleep and food)
over hallway interactions.</t>
        <t>There was a decrease in submission submissions of new (-00) drafts Internet-Drafts during 2020 and
2021, although the overall number of draft submissions remained stable, which stable;
this decrease in new submissions might result have resulted from the loss of these interactions. Informal conversations might
be important to inspire new work.</t>
      </section>
      <section anchor="experiments">
        <name>Experiments</name>
        <t>This document recommends further experiments with the meeting structure. Often,
only practical experience can answer open questions. A given meeting <bcp14>SHOULD</bcp14> only
experiment with one major change at a time in order to be able to assess the outcome correctly.
Furthermore, the IESG <bcp14>SHOULD</bcp14> announce any such experiment well in advance, so people
can adjust to changes and potentially provide feedback.</t>
      </section>
    <section numbered="true" toc="default">
      <name>IANA Considerations</name>
      <t>This document has no IANA actions.</t>
    </section>
    <section anchor="acknowledgments">
      <name>Acknowledgments</name>
      <t>Thanks to Brian Carpenter, Lars Eggert, Toerless Eckert, Charles Eckel, Jason
Livingood, Sanjeev Gupta, Dale Worley, and Mark Nottingham for their
reviews and many from more for their input and suggestions on the time zone discussion!</t> numbered="true" toc="default">
      <name>Security Considerations</name>
      <t>This document has no security considerations.</t>
    </section>
    </section>
  </middle>
  <back>
    <references>
      <name>References</name>
      <references>
        <name>Normative References</name>
        <reference anchor="RFC2119">
          <front>
            <title>Key words for use in RFCs to Indicate Requirement Levels</title>
            <author fullname="S. Bradner" initials="S." surname="Bradner">
              <organization/>
            </author>
            <date month="March" year="1997"/>
            <abstract>
              <t>In many standards track documents several words are used to signify the requirements in the specification.  These words are often capitalized. This document defines these words as they should be interpreted in IETF documents.  This document specifies an Internet Best Current Practices for the Internet Community, and requests discussion and suggestions for improvements.</t>
            </abstract>
          </front>
          <seriesInfo name="BCP" value="14"/>
          <seriesInfo name="RFC" value="2119"/>
          <seriesInfo name="DOI" value="10.17487/RFC2119"/>
        </reference>
        <reference anchor="RFC8174">
          <front>
            <title>Ambiguity of Uppercase vs Lowercase in RFC 2119 Key Words</title>
            <author fullname="B. Leiba" initials="B." surname="Leiba">
              <organization/>
            </author>
            <date month="May" year="2017"/>
            <abstract>
              <t>RFC 2119 specifies common key words that may be used in protocol  specifications.  This document aims to reduce the ambiguity by clarifying that only UPPERCASE usage of the key words have the  defined special meanings.</t>
            </abstract>
          </front>
          <seriesInfo name="BCP" value="14"/>
          <seriesInfo name="RFC" value="8174"/>
          <seriesInfo name="DOI" value="10.17487/RFC8174"/>
        </reference>
        <reference anchor="RFC8179">
          <front>
            <title>Intellectual Property Rights in IETF Technology</title>
            <author fullname="S. Bradner" initials="S." surname="Bradner">
              <organization/>
            </author>
            <author fullname="J. Contreras" initials="J." surname="Contreras">
              <organization/>
            </author>
            <date month="May" year="2017"/>
            <abstract>
              <t>The IETF policies about Intellectual Property Rights (IPR), such as patent rights, relative to technologies developed in the IETF are designed to ensure that IETF working groups and participants have as much information as possible about any IPR constraints on a technical proposal as early as possible in the development process.  The policies are intended to benefit the Internet community and the public at large, while respecting the legitimate rights of IPR holders.  This document sets out the IETF policies concerning IPR related to technology worked on within the IETF.  It also describes the objectives that the policies are designed to meet. This document updates RFC 2026 and, with RFC 5378, replaces Section 10 of RFC 2026.  This document also obsoletes RFCs 3979 and 4879.</t>
            </abstract>
          </front>
          <seriesInfo name="BCP" value="79"/>
          <seriesInfo name="RFC" value="8179"/>
          <seriesInfo name="DOI" value="10.17487/RFC8179"/>
        </reference>

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      </references>
      <references>
        <name>Informative References</name>

        <reference anchor="_107-FEEDBACK" anchor="IETF107-FEEDBACK" target="https://www.ietf.org/media/documents/ietf-107-survey-results.pdf">
          <front>
            <title>IETF 107 Virtual Meeting Survey Report</title> Survey</title>
            <author initials="J." surname="Daley">
              <organization/>
            </author>
            <date year="2020" month="April" day="17"/>
          </front>
        </reference>

        <reference anchor="_108-SURVEY" target="https://www.ietf.org/blog/ietf-108-meeting-survey"> anchor="IETF108-SURVEY" target="https://www.ietf.org/blog/ietf-108-meeting-survey/">
          <front>
            <title>IETF 108 Meeting Survey</title>
            <author initials="J." surname="Daley">
              <organization/>
            </author>
            <date year="2020" month="August" day="13"/>
          </front>
        </reference>

        <reference anchor="_109-SURVEY" anchor="IETF109-SURVEY" target="https://www.ietf.org/blog/ietf-109-post-meeting-survey/">
          <front>
            <title>IETF 109 Post-Meeting Survey</title>
            <author initials="J." surname="Daley">
              <organization/>
            </author>
            <date year="2020" month="December" day="07"/>
          </front>
        </reference>

        <reference anchor="_111-SURVEY" anchor="IETF111-SURVEY" target="https://www.ietf.org/blog/ietf-111-post-meeting-survey/">
          <front>
            <title>IETF 111 Post-Meeting Survey</title> post-meeting survey</title>
            <author initials="J." surname="Daley">
              <organization/>
            </author>
            <date year="2021" month="August" day="23"/>
          </front>
        </reference>

        <reference anchor="_112-EXPERIMENT" anchor="IETF112-EXPERIMENT" target="https://www.ietf.org/blog/ietf112-plenary-experiment-evaluation/">
          <front>
            <title>IETF 112 Plenary Experiment Evaluation</title>
            <author initials="" surname="IESG" fullname="IESG">
              <organization/>
            <author>
              <organization>IESG</organization>
            </author>
            <date year="2022" month="February" day="04"/>
          </front>
        </reference>

        <reference anchor="INTERIM-SCHEDULE" target="https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/wgchairs/l382SqKVVHoTzFw9kIYl2boM6_c/">
          <front>
            <title>Post-IETF-107
            <title>Subject: Post-IETF-107 Recommended Virtual Interim Schedule</title>
            <author initials="A." surname="Cooper">
              <organization/>
            </author>
            <date year="2020" month="March" day="13"/>
          </front>
        </reference>
        <reference anchor="RFC8713">
          <front>
            <title>IAB, IESG, IETF Trust, and IETF LLC Selection, Confirmation, and Recall Process: Operation of the IETF Nominating and Recall Committees</title>
            <author fullname="M. Kucherawy" initials="M." role="editor" surname="Kucherawy">
              <organization/>
            </author>
            <author fullname="R. Hinden" initials="R." role="editor" surname="Hinden">
              <organization/>
            </author>
            <author fullname="J. Livingood" initials="J." role="editor" surname="Livingood">
              <organization/>
            </author>
            <date month="February" year="2020"/>
            <abstract>
              <t>The process by which the members of the IAB and IESG, some Trustees of the IETF Trust, and some Directors of the IETF Administration LLC (IETF LLC) are selected, confirmed, and recalled is specified in this document. This document is based on RFC 7437.  Only those updates required
         <refcontent>message to reflect the changes introduced by IETF Administrative Support Activity (IASA) 2.0 have been included. Any other changes will be addressed in future documents.</t>
              <t>This document obsoletes RFC 7437 and RFC 8318.</t>
            </abstract>
          </front>
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          <seriesInfo name="DOI" value="10.17487/RFC8713"/> Working Group Chairs mailing list</refcontent>
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            <title>High-Level Guidance for the Meeting Policy of the IETF</title>
            <author fullname="S. Krishnan" initials="S." surname="Krishnan">
              <organization/>
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            <date month="February" year="2020"/>
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              <t>This document describes a meeting location policy

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      <name>Acknowledgments</name>
      <t>Thanks to <contact fullname="Brian Carpenter"/>, <contact fullname="Lars Eggert"/>, <contact fullname="Toerless Eckert"/>, <contact fullname="Charles Eckel"/>, <contact fullname="Jason Livingood"/>, <contact fullname="Sanjeev Gupta"/>, <contact fullname="Dale Worley"/>, and <contact fullname="Mark Nottingham"/> for the IETF their
reviews, and the various stakeholders required thanks to realize this policy.</t>
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            <title>Running an IETF Hackathon</title>
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            <date month="September" year="2022"/>
            <abstract>
              <t>IETF Hackathons encourage the IETF community to collaborate on running code related to existing and evolving Internet standards. This document provides a set of practices that have been used for running IETF Hackathons. These practices apply to Hackathons in which both in-person many other people who provided input and remote participation are possible, with adaptations for Hackathons that are online only.</t>
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